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Like we talked about this morning, I'm hoping the way this goes is as follows:
1. The opening scene is a big, action-packed fight scene - Spidey vs. Sandman. At the end of this sequence, Sandman gets captured and goes to jail, and that's it for him for the rest of the movie. I'd like to see this both because I don't want them trying to crowd in an extra villain throughout the whole movie, and because it would allow for a faster paced, action based opening scene before you get into the actual plot of the movie.
2. The rest of the movie unfolds along the general lines of the Venom story. Of course, they won't be able to tell it the original way it happened (I'll explain why they can't do this, if anyone is interested), but it will be interesting to see what they do instead. Hopefully they at least stick to the basics: Spidey gets a costume with all these strange new abilities, and then gradually learns what it really is, etc. etc. Hopefully this will be the main storyline of the movie.
3. I wouldn't mind seeing the Hobgoblin subplot continue to be just the same as it has been in the first two movies: a slowly progressing subplot that ties the movies together but does not interfere with the main story being presented in each film. Ideally, it would keep that slow, background pace, and only maybe reveal him in costume at the very end of this movie.
For the record, it's just "Lizard" not Lizardman.
I'm not sure if I really see Shocker showing up anytime soon in the Spiderman series, because as I understand it, he is hired by the Kingpin(Fisk) who acted as the Dare Devil's enemy in the movie.
Personally, I abhore Sandman and I'd rather see Aquaman if anyone, but more than those two bums I'd enjoy Mysterio.
The reason Carnage won't show up in S3 is much more simple: the movie is already pretty full, and it would be too much of a stretch to throw another villain in there.
Shocker I'd be OK with, since I think it would be great for Spider-Man movies to have some "throw away" villains in them; quick 5 minute fight scenes that up the action level without having to dedicate much story / plot time to them, and they go off to jail, explaining why they aren't in the rest of the movie.
I think this sort of thing is going to be closer to the role Sandman plays in #3, although Sandman is actually a character with a little bit of depth too him, so I wouldn't be too mad if they tried to play him a bit more. It's just that if they've already got Venom and the ongoing Harry plot, there's not a lot of room left in a single movie for a villain that would actually play a part in the plot.
Lastly, Kingpin has a long history with Spider-man as well, so no problems with him or his henchmen showing up at some point in the future. Aquaman may be difficult, since he's a DC character (like Superman and Batman). Mysterio is cool, but difficult to write a good story about, and probably even harder to transition into a live action movie. If the special effects are good enough, I could see it, but I think there are more villains with more popular appeal that will see the big screen sooner.
Even with the way movies have been twisting plots, I'm not sure they'd go so far as to make a symbiote that had been born of another(Venom) in the same movie that Venom debuts in.
I wouldn't object to Kingpin or Shocker or even both showing up, but I doubt that they'll just take Kingpin from the Dare Devil story to put him in another hero's movie.
I'm glad you cleared things up in the last comment. Since not knowing nothing must mean we know everything but nothing.
Till Then True Believers…
and have any of you actually SEEN ANY PHOTOS OF VENOM IN THE MOVIE ? maybe the only two villians are sandman and green goblin, and at the end venom emerges after spidey takes off the suit and perhaps beats sandman and/or harry . and then that is what happens at the end of the movie that venom Emerges. and its what keeps you on the edge of your seat for the next movie to come !
Think about it ?
Man, this is the post that won't die...
Maybe if we could get a couple more comments stating that it's the Green Goblin to really confirm that then we could be sure. Thanks.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Goblin
I figure this - 1.) Spidey was signed as a 3 picture deal. What better way to get the studio to sign up for more flicks than to ensure the fans leave the last one wanting more. 2.) Venom is the definitive Spidey villan. No way they cram him into a story line packed with other enemies and so many other things going on – Marvel wouldn’t let them. And 3.) if you notice, all of the Venom chatter has come from the fan community. He’s not in any of the teasers or promos for the movie. From a marketing point of view, it wouldn’t make any sense to exclude Venom from the advertising if he had any real part in the movie. He’s too big a draw.
So, everyone looking for the theatrical throw-down between Spidey and Venom, (including me!) - looks like well have to wait another two years for S4!
AIM: aliened99
Harry:-: easy
Sandman:-:hard
VENOM:-:KILLER
carnage cant be in S3 cause he is venoms son and also venom has to go to jail and meet cassidy to create carnage. also if carnage shows then they'll have to show toxin as well(toxin is carnages son). but he's a good guy tho. or actually like the hulk(as in can't control it).
if toxin shows then scream does too.(sum lady who stole the symbiote) and also she-venom(eddie brocks ex-wife)....
hehe i got all this stuff off of i think wiki or sumthing.
a little addition, when she-venom gets created, a symbiotic alien awakes and attempts to destroy them all.
wow.... i got from S3 to the symbiote core(name of symbiotic alien).
k pyc.
And the fourth villain? "Makes only a fleeting appearance - Bruce Campbell's character this time around is Quentin Beck, known to fans of the comic as Mysterio".
' Tis newgoblin people
Second when the symbiote gets to spiderman he looks completely different he doesnt have all his webs still. He is completely black but he still has the spiders on the front and back.
So yea they should of done it right, but the movie is still gonna be awesome
Harry is the green goblin not hob goblin from the comics plus in the previews he is green/purple not orange/red/brown and he seems like he is just a thorn in spidey's side not a big problem cause peter seems to just beat on him (even though Hob goblin was one of spidey's worst foes... well the hob goblin's were)
And as for venom, it looks like the battle is going to be against harry and sandman with the suit but battling his anger problems he gets from the suit and the end is going to be more about Venom and Brock.
They could maybe add some side villains for show time and more fighting but nobody really else could fit well with this group. Except Carnage but two symb.'s would be a bit much, plus they would have to go into detail on the secret wars and about carnage and Kasady and plus it takes more than spidey to take down Carnage, it takes him, venom, and several other super heroes to do the trick, plus the mass slaughter Carnage creates would be a tad high for a PG-13 movie.
I was kind of trying to get at that with my previous comment (way back at #54), but I guess I shouldn't be surprised that my sarcasm didn't work, since it's pretty obvious that no one commenting on this post ever reads the earlier comments.
sandman will die, but venom will live so they can make a MAXIMUM CARNAGE movie FINALLY... haha, anyone else agree that would kick ass? did you read that series? best 3 part series in spidey comic history!
eric foreman is a bitch. hes funny and all, but venom is sposed to look like DANZIG with a big long tongue and razor sharp teeth, not the skinny 70's show kid.
if toby wont come back, they can replace him with jake gyllenhal (spelling?), which they shoulda done to begin with, i think. donnie darko was sick! plus the romantic element of the franchise would only get better because jake and kirsten are dating or whatever, right? (according to the US weekly for october of last year i saw at my dentists office)
sandmans a bitch. wheres the lizzard? thats bullshit. the guy who plays dr. connors in the movie is an excellent actor. (did anyone see happiness? haha) what the F is the problem there?
ok kiddies, let me know that you think....
How many comments do we really need spelling out the differences between the various goblins in the Spider-man mythology?
Even if there were one single "correct" account of the story (which there isn't; it's been told and retold numerous times with slight to drastic differences), the fact is that the movie will be yet another slight variation on the story anyway. Are you going to get pissed off at the movie for not getting it "right" as well?
Also, in case anyone has forgotten, it's a freakin' super hero story with not a lot of deep meaning behind it. Just sit back, relax, enjoy it, and don't take it too seriously.
Dude, the Spiderman mythos has more deep meaning behind it than any other comic story I can think of. At it's core, it's a story of adolecent conflict. Pete's forced to jump from teen to man very quickly - both in his family life, after the loss of his uncle, and in his private live with his new powers. It's really just a metaphor for the time our lives when we either decide or are forced to shoulder the responsibilities of real life. That's what makes this story so relatable. Solid themes of sacrifice, moral conflict & resolution, and even love are seeded deep in the Spiderman story.
"With great power, comes great responsibilty."
Most "serious" comic fans probably wouldn't rate Spider-man highly on such a list, but don't get me wrong: I don't think that's a negative thing.
I'm pretty familiar with the fact that most comics like these have a long history which occasionally delves into more serious subjects, but if anything that serves to better illustrate my point: the movie adaptations of the mainstream super hero books so far have been uniformly light-hearted.
But my main point was just venting my frustration at some of the commenters above who so "eloquently" (and repetitively) nitpicked about details of the comic stories (from the various multiple versions) which will undoubtedly be altered for the movie anyway, so why get all worked up about it?
I have no expectation that the plot details of this film will adhere to those of the stories that are stored in the long boxes out in my garage, and I have even less of an expectation that comments on a blog post about that movie will either.
then in a middle of a movie sandman appears and spidey still without a symbiote get his ass kicked... then he fouds the symbiote, becomes assumed with it and throw sandman in the water where he was supposed to drown... for a while everything is ok but spidey becomes more and more aggressive... then harry appears spidey throws him one of new goblin's bombs, half of harry's face is blown away(this is gonna be really cool) and then spidey realizes what is he turning into(something ugly- when he got the suit he liked the power and everything but now..) after that ke kicks sandman's ass, then goes to the bell tower where he takes of the suit. eddie brock follows him and see who spiderman really is.. but symbiote falls on eddie brock who becomes venom(i love that part) of course because of venom chaos is in town and spidey puts on his good old suit and goes to defeat venom(even though venom is a lot stronger) the end and then we are waiting for spiderman 4
Just an idea, like the "Oh the killers dead! Oh no he isn't!" thing on horro films.
Either way I'm seeing that movie :P
I would also like to see mysterio in spiderman 4 if they make.
cant wait to see this movie, tho i just have to say... i still think tobey maguire was mis cast.... hes ok looking and everything but hes so unlike the versions of spiderman ive seen in the past. not to mention sometimes his acting or lack thereof really does irritate me... hes playing a troubled superhero... act like it! its more dire than daniel radcliffes emotionally stunted harry potter.
a lot of you have been saying you dont like sandman and you hope hes only in the movie for about a scene or two. well i doubt their gonna do that since hes the one who killed parkers uncle. besides even if they Dont get too much film time with the new Goblin and Venom, theres still possibilities of them doing More spidey movies and they could just as easy spread the Venom and Goblin plot line into more than just One movie right..
i cant remember where, but i heard somewhere that there was to be six spider-man movies.. im hoping thats true, although they could just very well end it after this one making it just a spider-man Trilogy. but honestly i think that they should keep it going to a 6-film series, a trilogy would be cool, but theres too much story line hooked up with spider-man to just make a small trilogy.
if my theory of a 6-film series is right, im guessing that they'll spread harry osbourne as the goblin through till the final movie and something major will happen with those two to end the series.
Overall im totally Psyched about Spidey 3! and im going to go see it time and time again, as i hope all of you will too lol.
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i don't say she is pretty too but in sp2 she was like some old forgoten crapy...
90% impressive
Spiderman iz ill too ima see it 2day
The action scenes were spectacular... Like you were looking into Stan Lee's head and seeing it as he saw it, but Toby's acting was... laughable - except for in the scene where evil spidey goes "kid gloves off" to Harrys pad and beats his ass.
This movie will most likely be a horrible agonizing death to an excellent trilogy that they could have ended better by cutting out sandman, who just wasted space on the screen. The show would have been much better if it were just spidey, the suit, harry and venom. For the first time for a spidey movie, I found myself looking at my watch.
If they had even just had sandman and 2nd gen goblin, the movie could have played on the suit and they could have marketed a spiderman 4 with just Venom which would have outsold any superhero movie in history.
Another big mistake - Venom fans... he is only in the movie for say... 30 minutes. And if there ever is a "Carnage symbiote" it isnt going to be in the movies because amazingly - one goblin bomb decimated the symbiote and eddie brock! Hooray.
If I could meet the director, I would personally bitch slam him and his writing crew for fucking up an amazing series with this overloaded garbage.
For fans expecting the perfection of Spiderman 2 from the same director and same production crew, expect a loose plot, more comedy oriented, characters acting out of the character we have come to recognize, and a climax that seemed more like a no name wrestling match.
If you want to see pretty good special effects, and see spidey and his foes do some cool things (Not enough of them) then go see this movie.
If your expecting to have a good plot to end a decent trilogy, just stick with spiderman 2 and let that be the ending to your series...
I am still in shock of what I have been made to watch.
Out of ten:
Spiderman 1: 8
Spiderman 2: 9
Spiderman 3: 7
And spiderman 3 only got the 7 because of the comedy, and the special effects.
Yumm yeah.
1. What was with the comet. Didn't the suit already arrive to earth in S2 on JJ's son's shuttle? Not the Secret Wars storyline, but I thought it was great forshadowing.
2. The symbiote should have bonded with Pete, not his suit. That's waht they do, bond with other living things. The coolest part of the symbiote was that when it bonded to Pete, it responded directly to his thoughts and actually became Pete's clothes. In the movie, it was just clothes dye.
3. Venom's insane anger came from Brock's humiliation AND the symbiote's feelings of rejection. He was alway's two entities - "WE hate the Spider...". Here, it was just Brock. They never even called him (them) Venom!
4. How come the same pumpkin bomb that went off 6 inches from Harry's head was only enough to scare him, but was more than enough to entirely disitigrate both Brock and the suit?
I could go on forever, but you get the idea. They crammed 50lbs of shit in a 10lb bag, and everything suffered for it. And Venom was sorely short changed - he deserved an entire movie, and he only got about 30 mins.
SFX and fight scenes wher good, but I think 7 is a generous score.
if sandman, hobgoblin and venom are worst why do u insist 2 watch and enjoy it?
From the beginning of Spider-man three, I was excited enough to feel the very blood and adrenalin pumping through my system. The first fight scene was a work of beauty (despite Osborne’s questionable fashion sense), and the twist with Harry was creatively presented.
This movie went all-out, with computer graphics. It was more than eye pleasing. The introduction to the Sandman was practically drool-worthy.
Generally speaking, I had a plot in my mind, as to what this movie would contain. With few alterations, the movie played along the way I had predicted. HOWEVER, despite the pretty graphics, and decent storyboarding, the movie literally began to drag. The biggest, most heated issue, which people seem to be beating around, is simple; the movie had scenes that were plain old bloody boring. The movie was about two and a half hours long… and they could have easily cut out forty-five minutes of it. The plot had very few flaws, in my eyes. People could dock it for cheesy acting but I say: If you want cheesy, watch the first Doc Oc scene of the second one, where a doctor busts out a chainsaw to try and defend himself.
The truth of the matter is simple, despite the eye-pleasing material; this adrenalin rush is easily out-weighed by the attempt of blandly presenting the internal conflicts. There were, in fact, parts that I was horribly afraid that my mind wouldn’t let me watch.
Another issue I can see /other/ people having (oddly, not myself) was the very presentation of Eddie Brock. Within the comics and secondary cartoon series, Brock was literally a powerhouse. The fella was built, hot-headed, arrogant and generally stupid. I, myself, see that such a character would not have fit the plot at all. The ideal behind the new rendition is that Brock should be Parker’s nemesis, not Spider-man’s. Parker’s naturally set out to hate Brock, and what better way to do that than to have an Eddie that has communication skills. :P All honesty, I really, really enjoyed watching Topher Grace being a complete ass-monkey. =3
Plus, the Venom fight was bloody freakin’ awesome. I do think they ended the movie rather well. The climax, despite Jason’s personal wrestling issues, was well thought out. However, I was expecting the death of sandman, partway through, was to turn him to glass. I was depressed to see that never happening. Oh well.
Overall, the movie’s worth watching, and I mean, I’m going to watch it all over again with my girlfriend and three of her friends, on Sunday. However, I do believe this movie is more worthwhile at home, purchasing the DVD slightly used for 8 dollars at your local video store in a month and a half (because some other twat thought that it was just as bull-shitted as half of the other critics on this board). Something about watching the movie’s dull parts in a theatre made me rather restless, especially since I needed to go to the bathroom, all the way through the film. For the horribly boring scenes… I’d rather watch them in the comfort of my own, super-comfy couch.
and i believe that the plot development was very well done, and it tied everything together...venom looks pretty good too, but i wish they had edited his voice like the cartoon...if Cletus Kassidy was in it..it would have been to sick..oh and venom should have been built, it would look better :D
Also, there is going to be 6 Spiderman movies, so get
comfortable, people.
And if you kids weren't paying attention, when Ed Brock Hopped
into the Symbiote, it snatched him up to protect him from the explosion,
where it then most likely got away.
I have a REALLY good feeling Venom WILL be back for SM4.
Spiderman 4 will most likely have Venom and Carnage as the villains.
Because the Prof. did have Symbiote in his office, which it will
probably find that crazed guy who is Carnage.
And Sandman was an original, I loved his character. It was a good
thing for the REAL Spiderman fans to see.
I'm actually going to see it again next weekend, and probably again
in imax after that.
This movie gets a 9/10 from me.
Only part I didn't like is how Venom didn't get the huge scene
he deserved, but still pretty friggin' epic if you ask me.
Spiderman still wins though, because he is godlike. :]
GREAT MOVIE!!!
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green goblin or hobgoblin and sorry but there is no chance of the
New Goblin (harry) turning against peter (Spider man) ever again you will find out when u see the movie :-)
the second goblin dies from saving Spider-man from being stabbed by Harry's flying machine used by venom.
MJ and peter broke up.
the uncle Ben mystery is solved
Harry's vengeance tour is over
a Few reason why there is spider-man 4
The displacement between Peter and Mary
The ring that belongs to Aunt May...
Resurrection of venom?/birth of carnage
my post is inimportant
the second goblin dies from saving Spider-man from being stabbed by Harry's flying machine used by venom.
MJ and peter broke up.[/quote]
who knows that venom actually died the bastard moved too fast to tell ye. there was yer blinding flash of light when the bomb exploded. there was a small piece of venom left burn like a tentacle.
they diddnt have much of venom but otherwise the film waz sick!
spiderman look yes a good is't is and lisyen !!!!!!!
1. the hob goblin is not harry its norman, his dad
2.venom was two small and he had nails
3.spidey doesent kill venom at he seperates eddie and the simbiote then launches it in two space and comes back down as two the carnage simbiote and the venom simbiote. he does not "kill" him with a bomb
4.peter and mary jane dont hook up
my opinion; best spiderman movie
Dunst and McGuire have already said they won't make anymore, they wish to move onto other projects and not be type cast, the only way it'd happen is with replacement actors which would suck, or a considerably large amount of cash for the actors but then their hearts wouldn't be in it and it'd be all about the money!
"Even though Spider-Man director Sam Raimi and stars Tobey Maguire and Kirsten Dunst have not committed to more installments, the movie's debut cemented the decision of Sony executives to continue the series."
~Scott Bowels, USA Today
And would it be so bad to get some fresh faces in? This last one was dissapointing, to say the least.
Vemon dies
Henry dies
SpiderMan lives
Sandman lives
I AGREE TOO, VENOM IS THE COOLEST.... HE TOTALLY COULD KILL THE SANDMAN OR THE HOB GOBLIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!
After seeing this one, I would kind of hope there won't be more, because I wasn't very happy with it, as you can see in my review.
However, I say "I would ... hope" because that hope is futile. This series has been such a huge financial success (including this last one) that there is virtually no way they could NOT make at least one more sequel. Spider-man 4 is guaranteed box office gold, before it's even announced or any details are made public, so for that reason alone, you will see another sequel.
As for MJ and Peter getting back together, I think so, but I'm really trying to purge most of that movie from my memory, so I'm not 100% sure on that.
of course the deal goes rotten when conors mises the deadline so the man incharge hires kraven to go after him.
after already causing trouble trying to get the money the lizard has spider-man after him wich leads to good the bad and the ugly face between the three.
mean while with no real ties to peter mary-jane hooks up with a guy on the set of a small budget movie you guesed it none other than mysterio who swears revenge on peter parker for for stealing mj back and causing some kind of harm.
spidey foils kraven who also swears to kill him after making him loose the lizard and 50 grand or what ever king pin was paying him to take out connors.
it end with king pin putting money on spider-mans head the villians to bring in in #5 are limitles.
good i will now let my feelings out.......
I CANT BELIEVE THEY KILLED OFF HOBGOBLIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
HE WAS ALWAYS ONE OF SPIDEYS MAIN VILLANS IF NOT ARCH VILLAN SO WHATS UP WITH THAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I coyld care less if they killed off sandman but HOBGOBLIN!!!!!
Raimi is insane!
silly_puddy
to kill venom off would be a mockery to spiderman i dont care if they kill off doc oc, green goblin or lizard but venom???
the real reason carnage wont apear in any of the films is because his story line is too close to venoms to put spiderman 4 would be a repeat of s3.
Bitches
silly_puddy
SPIDEY FOREVER
silly_puddy
1. Harry and Norman Osbourne are/were the Green Goblin, not the Hobgoblin
2. spiderman's uncle Ben did not die from sandman but actually from the villian Chameleon
3. Eddie brock did not become venom the same way it did in the movie
4. Unlike in the movie, Harry Osbourne/Green Goblin does not die from gettined imapaled by spikes in the comics
5. Venom does not die from a single Green Goblin pumpkin bomb
6. PETER PARKER DID NOT DRESS LIKE A FUCKING GOTH PIECE OF SHIT ever, why the hell did they make him that in Spiderman 3?
SECONDLY, the writers obviously didnt know how to put together this shit and fucked it up real bad in the end.
1. Cool Sandman intro is cool but Seriously, Sandman shouldn't have more screen time than venom
2. Gwen Stacy took way too much fucking time out of the movie, and she wasn't even captured by venom/eddie brock even though spiderman supposely stole her
3.Venom is not seen until the end of the movie, they couldve really lefted him out for another movie or let brock become Venom sooner so he doesnt fucking die in 5min by a pumpkin bomb.
4. So why the fuck did Sandman and Venom want to team up??? in the comics it was because venom kidnapped the daughter of sandman and forced him to team up against spiderman.
5. AND WHY THE FUCK IS THE FUCKING BUTLER TELLING THE AUDIENCE HOW NORMAN DIED?? THATS FUCKING REDICULUS AND THE LAZIEST PIECE OF SHIT WRTING I"VE EVER SEEN.
6. I SINCERELY HOPE SPIDERMAN 4 WONT BE AS MUCH BULLSHIT AS THIS ONE, OR HOLLYWOOD SHOULD JUST FUCKING GIVE UP ON IT.
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The storyline for spiderman 3 is pretty crappy they should only have 2 villans max.
And Venom himself would qualify for a full movie.
Overall Spiderman 1 and 2 would probably have a better storyline than 3 i hope number 4 is better.