I have the razr with VGA and 4x soom. Disappointed with the cam, the pictures are crap. The res is poor. I have tried different settings but it is still bad.
Dave Z
· 3 years ago
Zoom that is.
JasonB
· 3 years ago
what's the big difference between this one and the one you can get now? Just the camera? I hate that we can't expect a QWERTY keyboard on a cell phone any time soon. I am tempted to get a Sidekick but the data plan the phone service is too expensive. I want a QWERTY keyboard, but I'm willing to give up too. Are you going to stay with Cingular?
Dave Z
· 3 years ago
Speaking of QWERTY, I have a blackberry 7520 from nextel with a nice QWERTY keyboard. Unlimited data including email is $ 49 per month. I would not have it if it wasn't for biz purposes for myself. Who knows how long RIMM will be around though.
JasonB
· 3 years ago
the Qwerty keyboards on the blackberrys are nice. And having a device that doesn't need a stylus is the only way to go for a smartphone. But $49 for data phone service is too expensive. We need some $19 or $29 a month data plans.
Dave Z
· 3 years ago
The monthly cost is pays for itself (right now) with some business I couldn't do without it. If they did lower the price many more people would join in. But then, 3 G is sitting off in europe waiting to kill off this app. Tandberg Video, which I sell, can now output to a 3G phone as an endpoint in two way videoconferencing( in Europe and Japan ). Having a blackberry (or treo, I'm sure ) is so nice cause you no longer have to get to your or a computer that is online. Instant email all the time. I now have 3 accounts pushing to it. It has been useful.
Dan
· 3 years ago
That still is a lot to pay for push, you could just get a treo or something that checks your email every 2-5 minutes for a lot less.
Dave Z
· 3 years ago
The 3 pop accounts push automatically to the bb. It just grabs it from the servers in about the same amount of time. I use it a central clearing house for my email when on the road. I don't use the bb email address unless responding to someone. What is the treo monthly?
Dan
· 3 years ago
I pay $20-25 (I forget) a month for unlimited bandwith with Cingular. And the mail client on my treo could do as many pop, imap, or exchange accounts you want.
JaredB
· 3 years ago
T-Mobile has unlimited data for $20 per month too, but I think (maybe) what Jason was saying was a $20-30 per month total cost per month, because right now the data charges are on top of your regular phone plan cost.
Dan
· 3 years ago
So why not get a smart phone through T-mobile for $30 a month less?
JasonB
· 3 years ago
Cingular doesn't have a $20-$25 a month plan for data any more that was in the early days and they are just not raising the rate as a courtesy for existing data customers. New customers are screwed.
Dan
· 3 years ago
That's not true you just have to ask. I got it and I am a relativly new user.
JasonB
· 3 years ago
It just the full price data plans of most carriers combined with a reasonable phone plan ends up being a lot, especially for us married guys that need 2.
Dan
· 3 years ago
yeah it's a lot but it's not another $50 plan to another company.
I might get rid of my data plan if I get a new phone.
Whenever this thing comes out.
JasonB
· 3 years ago
you don't need a data plan? I have mine on a usage plan not on a monthly charge plan and it works out very cheap. I just don't use data that much although if I had a Sidekick or a proper QWERTY keyboard on a phone I would use it much more.
JaredB
· 3 years ago
Re: the smart phone comment - no matter what model of phone you have, you still have to pay extra for data (GPRS) service on it, as far as I know. Do you have any links that say otherwise?
Dan
· 3 years ago
yeah, you get a regular plan then you pay for unlimited bandwith ($20). But if you have a pay per minute phone then it wont help.
I pay $70 a month for unlimited bandwith and limited talk. That's cheaper then what you are paying.
JaredB
· 3 years ago
Are you talking to me or Jason?
I don't know how Cingular/ATT does it, but on T-Mobile, your GPRS data does not go against your phone minutes.
I pay $20 for unlimited data and about $30 for my phone plan, so $70 seems a bit pricey to me.
JaredB
· 3 years ago
OK, I think I just realized that you were talking to Dave. Nevermind...
Dave Z
· 3 years ago
The blackberry I have is with Nextel and the coverage has been very good everywhere I go so far. I had a t-mobile phone plan and it didn't work well in 1000 Oaks. When I looked at it is was less expensive to get the BB ( $ 150 )vs the treo ( $ 450 ). Not interested in buying another pda then signing up for another contract term. Hven't looked at the cost of per email ( if nextel has that ) vs unlimited email. I email around 10-15 messages per day. I receive over 20 valid emails per day - Approx. I already have cell service with cingular separately. This com plan evolved into it's present form. : )
Dan
· 3 years ago
Jared: I say it's $70 because I have the family plan were Sara is an additional 15-20$.
Cingular does not count minutes for data. That's why they charge you for data.
Dave: You know what you are doing.
Dave Z
· 3 years ago
I do? That's funny.
Dan
· 3 years ago
Well I just bought it. I was contimplating the SAMSUNG T809 like Jared want's but I saw some comments about even though you can unlock the t-mobile version to work on cingular there might be some bugs, namely the voicemail icon.
Anyways I spent a lot for it and I hopefully will get a lot for my unlocked Treo.
JasonB
· 3 years ago
where did you get it? How much? Do tell. I'm gonna pick up 2 RAZRs this weekend for me and Brooke. What is the real diff. between this and the current model?
JasonB
· 3 years ago
Ok so I read over the differences. When is it available for Cingular?
Dan
· 3 years ago
eBay for a lot but cheaper then you could get now.
The only difference is the 1.2 mp camera and I will have to wait and see if it does iTunes, it probably won't but it would be a bonus.
As you can tell I really wanted a high'r res camera.
If you don't care just get a couple silver v3s on eBay. They go for around $200.
Dan
· 3 years ago
Oh yeah, duh. It does video. Hopefully I can sync up some vidcasts.
Dan
· 3 years ago
No one knows. But I think it will replace the rokr it could very well be the iphone that is rumered. Who knows though?
I would recomend unlocked phones though. They provide more features and they can be resold for a lot more on eBay when you're done with them.
The downside to unlocked phones would be that then you won't get support if something isn't working, or if it breaks you can't take it back anywhere.
Dan
· 3 years ago
Yeah you can, to the manufacturer just like any other item you buy.
JaredB
· 3 years ago
I thouhgt you were talking about getting one that was unlocked (by a user) on ebay or something - I doubt the manufacturer supports those.
What you definitley won't get support for is anything that has to do with the phone interacting with the service provider, like the data connection not working correctly, etc.
One of the reasons I'm thinking of the t809 is that when EDGE is eventually rolled out down here the phone (and T-Mobile) will support it.
Dan
· 3 years ago
yeah, but when do you ever get support from your provider that you couldn't find faster on the internet. I hate being on the phone for an hour with cookie cutter responses.
JaredB
· 3 years ago
Yes, but there are situations which are not completely solvable by the user, no matter what they know.
A lot of data connection plans rely on things being correctly configured at both ends, and if there's something that the provider will need to change on their end in order for things to work then you are screwed.
Also, if your phone is defective (or if the unlocker didn't follow the process correctly) or whatever else may cause it to crash prematurely, it will not be under warranty.
Dan
· 3 years ago
It's a brand new phone from the manufacture, it's unopened, so no one had to unlock the phone it's made unlocked. As for the phone's data connection not working the way it should because the provider didn't have their hands on it is wrong from all of my experiences with phones all you need is the settings which I have and is documented well on the web. The current treo that I have is unlocked, just like it came from Palm and it works fine. And even by the slightest chance that it does have complications I can turn around and sell it on eBay for a definite profit.
JaredB
· 3 years ago
OK, when you were saying "unlocked" I was thinking you were talking about buying a used phone which was previously locked and had been *unlocked* via one of the hacks that are out there, etc., as opposed to a fresh phone from the manufacturer that had never been locked.
The providers have to configure your account on their networks for your data service to work correctly. They don't have to have (or do anything to) your phone physically, but they will know what phone should be associated with your account, and if it's their policy to only allow their phones on the system, then you will be out of luck if you ask them to change the settings for your account if they think you are using a phone that cannot make use of those features. This probably wouldn't come up much, but it's certainly possible.
Dan
· 3 years ago
You sound so certain but then you say "it's certainly possible", I think it's certainly possible but like I said in my experience I've had no issue, with AT&T; or cingular. Maybe you had some experiences with other providers because you always want to do some out of the ordinary but I surely won't, I wont even tether it to my book because it doesn't support edge.
JaredB
· 3 years ago
Ya, you're probably right.
Dan
· 3 years ago
When am I ever not?
JaredB
· 3 years ago
Don't press your luck.
JasonB
· 3 years ago
What do you think of the Samsung D307? Looks pretty cool. Gonna check it out in person first. Free on Amazon with new service.
I looked at that one too but didn't like it because if you are going to have a phone that big you might as well have a PDA.
Dave Z
· 3 years ago
Do you think the camera will be better on this as compared to the orginal razr I have? Asking because one ad said the razr v3 had a vga cam which I have on mine. And my present phone takes crappy pictures.
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Who knows how long RIMM will be around though.
Having a blackberry (or treo, I'm sure ) is so nice cause you no longer have to get to your or a computer that is online.
Instant email all the time. I now have 3 accounts pushing to it. It has been useful.
What is the treo monthly?
I might get rid of my data plan if I get a new phone.
Whenever this thing comes out.
I pay $70 a month for unlimited bandwith and limited talk. That's cheaper then what you are paying.
I don't know how Cingular/ATT does it, but on T-Mobile, your GPRS data does not go against your phone minutes.
I pay $20 for unlimited data and about $30 for my phone plan, so $70 seems a bit pricey to me.
When I looked at it is was less expensive to get the BB ( $ 150 )vs the treo ( $ 450 ). Not interested in buying another pda then signing up for another contract term.
Hven't looked at the cost of per email ( if nextel has that ) vs unlimited email. I email around 10-15 messages per day. I receive over 20 valid emails per day - Approx.
I already have cell service with cingular separately. This com plan evolved into it's present form. : )
Cingular does not count minutes for data. That's why they charge you for data.
Dave: You know what you are doing.
Anyways I spent a lot for it and I hopefully will get a lot for my unlocked Treo.
The only difference is the 1.2 mp camera and I will have to wait and see if it does iTunes, it probably won't but it would be a bonus.
As you can tell I really wanted a high'r res camera.
If you don't care just get a couple silver v3s on eBay. They go for around $200.
I would recomend unlocked phones though. They provide more features and they can be resold for a lot more on eBay when you're done with them.
$3600.00 are you insane?
What you definitley won't get support for is anything that has to do with the phone interacting with the service provider, like the data connection not working correctly, etc.
One of the reasons I'm thinking of the t809 is that when EDGE is eventually rolled out down here the phone (and T-Mobile) will support it.
A lot of data connection plans rely on things being correctly configured at both ends, and if there's something that the provider will need to change on their end in order for things to work then you are screwed.
Also, if your phone is defective (or if the unlocker didn't follow the process correctly) or whatever else may cause it to crash prematurely, it will not be under warranty.
The providers have to configure your account on their networks for your data service to work correctly. They don't have to have (or do anything to) your phone physically, but they will know what phone should be associated with your account, and if it's their policy to only allow their phones on the system, then you will be out of luck if you ask them to change the settings for your account if they think you are using a phone that cannot make use of those features. This probably wouldn't come up much, but it's certainly possible.