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Dear Friends, Why I support Obama

Started by dancameron · 1 year ago

Friends,
Since the quotes below are from Obama’s website they’re extremely slanted with bush bashing but you should be able to see through it.

I highlighted my key take aways but I have to say, McCain doesn’t have a plan for the economy that& ... Continue reading »

33 comments

  • Dave Z

    12 months ago

    I like most of the above, thanks for outlining it. If he can stick to it.
    I find it worrisome that he is saying that we need to learn spanish.
    Practically I agree, but I don't want it to become mandated.
    Not voting for mccain. May vote for O or Barr.
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  • dancameron

    12 months ago

    When did Obama ever say that we need to learn Spanish. Is this some Fox
    propaganda.
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  • Dave Z

    12 months ago

    July 10,2008 CNN ( commie news network ). Video " English Spanish " Obama

    http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/politics/2008/...
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  • dancameron

    12 months ago

    I don't think he said anything about mandating spanish. I think it should be mandating we try to learn a second language in school but that's a little different.
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  • JaredB

    12 months ago

    Yeah, I wouldn't have a problem with mandatory second language in US education. It would be good if you could choose which language to learn, and Spanish would be a logical choice.

    I also reject the notion that there's inherently something wrong with this kind of requirement. There are all sorts of things you're "required" (or should be required) to learn in school (reading, various levels of math, etc.).

    It's certainly debatable whether a second language *should* be one of those things, but I really dislike the implication (which I'm sure some will make) that it's somehow inherently evil to even suggest that the government could "require" us to do something like this.
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  • Nate

    12 months ago

    It is way out of the bounds of the federal government. Evilly overstepping its charter. Also, consider that 85% of high school graduates take two or more years of foreign language mainly to fulfil college entrance requirements. Do
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  • dancameron

    12 months ago

    I really need to update this post. There are so many other negatives about McCain that I just can't get over:
    Graham
    Lobbyists
    Flip-flopping
    Gas Tax pandering
    oh the list goes on and on.
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  • Dave Z

    12 months ago

    I have problems with Mccain - talking about staying in irag 100 years, admitting he knows nothing about economics, wanting to kick russia out of the g8, not having much of a domestic plan. The only way he can win is if some really bad news about obama comes out in the fall.
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  • dancameron

    12 months ago

    Or something that McCains surrogates suggest and are probably wanting (I know that sounds horrible) is a major terrorist attack on US soil.
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  • Dave Z

    11 months ago

    seems like that is all mccain keeps harping on ..." the Islamic extremists are out to get us." that is all he has to say.

    here bush got us into a war against terror - a mostly undefined vagueness to use against americans to take away our rights. mccain is of the exact same ilk. the fed reserve private banking corp puppet masters want us to invade iran next to gain more of a foothold in the middle east.
    If the bankers want mccain they will plan out another event, if they want obama they wont.
    where does obama stand on the patriot act?
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  • dancameron

    11 months ago

    Dave,
    Welcome to the correct side.

    http://www.barackobama.com/factcheck/2008/01/05...
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  • Dave Z

    11 months ago

    yup, I'm not joking either, it took me awhile to come to this opinion, ,I now consider bush a very dangerous liar that I trusted. The recent giving up more power to the private company called the fed to oversee the banking system is really nuts. He will be trying to get us to take the chip next.
    I have called the white house several times that I am supporting his impeachment.
    mccain = bush** 2, not getting my vote.
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  • Dave Z

    11 months ago

    One big thing that turned me was the reports on iran from the cia and the intelligence agencies saying that iran was far from making a nuke. bush comes out the same day and says ' no they are making it and they are a threat...' the guy wants to have a war with iran....gw is fitting into the perfect mold of aaron russo's theories. that is the only thread that explains how bush is operating to me.
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  • Dave Z

    11 months ago

    I am not sure about Obama, is O going to bomb iran? ..the following is from Ron Paul's site

    .." The non-catatonic population has long seen through Obama’s “change” rhetoric, given that everything he says is safely within the confines of acceptable positions as defined by the political establishment. His speech to AIPAC was the usual Obama capitulation, not that his cult of personality has suffered for it. Now he’s repeating his insistence that he won’t take any options off the table against Iran. Neoconservative Bill Kristol even says Obama and McCain “don’t actually differ” on Iran. "
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  • dancameron

    11 months ago

    There are clear differences between Obama and McCain and Iran. For starters,
    Obama would rather talk to Iran before bombing them.
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  • Dave Z

    11 months ago

    I am totally against Mccain and will not be voting for mccain under any circumstances.
    not sure about obama though...is he easing up his anti war stance??
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  • Dave Z

    11 months ago

    I am opposed to war w iran.
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  • Dave Z

    11 months ago

    I am not messing with your mind either.
    : )
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  • dancameron

    11 months ago

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RyHJZxNm-Cg

    http://www.barackobama.com/issues/foreignpolicy...

    "*Diplomacy:* Obama is the only major candidate who supports tough, direct
    presidential diplomacy with Iran without preconditions. Now is the time to
    pressure Iran directly to change their troubling behavior. Obama would offer
    the Iranian regime a choice. If Iran abandons its nuclear program and
    support for terrorism, we will offer incentives like membership in the World
    Trade Organization, economic investments, and a move toward normal
    diplomatic relations. If Iran continues its troubling behavior, we will step
    up our economic pressure and political isolation. Seeking this kind of
    comprehensive settlement with Iran is our best way to make progress."
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  • Dave Z

    11 months ago

    Dan, got this email... is this true??? 28% capital gains tax on your home sale profit???? increase in taxes for the under 50K group? from an email sent to me

    Proposed changes in taxes after 2008 General election:

    CAPITAL GAINS TAX

    MCCAIN

    0% on home sales up to $500,000 per home (couples) McCain does not propose any change in existing home sales income tax.

    OBAMA
    28% on profit from ALL home sales

    How does this affect you?

    If you sell your home and make a profit, you will pay 28% of your gain on taxes.

    If you are heading toward retirement and would like to down-size your home or move into a retirement community, 28% of the money you make from your home will go to taxes. This proposal will adversely affect theelderly who are counting on the income from their homes as part of their retirement income.

    DIVIDEND TAX

    MCCAIN 15% (no change)

    OBAMA 39.6%

    How will this affect you?

    If you have any money invested in stock market, IRA, mutual funds, college funds, life insurance, retirement accounts, or anything that pays or reinvests dividends, you will now be paying nearly 40% of the money earned on taxes if Obama become president.

    The experts predict that 'higher tax rates on dividends and capital gains would crash the stock market yet do absolutely nothing to cut the deficit.

    INCOME TAX


    MCCAIN (no changes)

    Single making 30K - tax $4,500
    Single making 50K - tax $12,500
    Single making 75K - tax $18,750

    Married making 60K - tax $9,000
    Married making 75K - tax $18,750
    Married making 125K - tax $31,250

    OBAMA
    (reversion to pre-Bush tax cuts)
    Single making 30K - tax $8,400
    Single making 50K - tax $14,000
    Single making 75K - tax $23,250

    Married making 60K - tax $16,800
    Married making 75K - tax $21,000
    Married making 125K - tax $38,750


    Under Obama your taxes will

    more than double!
    How does this affect you?

    No explanation needed. This is pretty straight forward.

    INHERITANCE TAX


    MCCAIN 0% (No change, Bush repealed this tax)

    OBAMA Restore the inheritance tax

    How does this affect you? Many families have lost businesses, farms and ranches, and homes that have been in their families for generations because they could not afford the inheritance tax. Those willing their assets to loved ones will not only lose them to these taxes.

    NEW TAXES BEING PROPOSED BY OBAMA</ B>


    * New government taxes proposed on homes that are more than 2400 square feet

    * New gasoline taxes (as if gas weren't high enough already)

    * New taxes on natural resources consumption (heating gas, water, electricity)

    * New taxes on retirement accounts and last but not least....

    * New taxes to pay for socialized medicine so we can receive the same level of medical care as other third-world countries!
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  • JaredB

    11 months ago

    Not that I want to get into arguing the various points of this (although I think several are misleading), there is one glaring inaccuracy that should be addressed:
    What is meant by "more than double" in reference to the income tax part? Someone needs to check their math there, as none of those figures are anywhere near double.
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  • dancameron

    11 months ago

    If you make under 220K you will get a tax CUT [period]

    You're going to have to read his "plan" but that e-mail you received is BS
    propaganda.

    http://www.barackobama.com/issues/fiscal/#fair-tax

    I'll try to find the video but he is going to do something about capital
    gains, because right now people pay less in capital gain taxes (wallstreet)
    then someone claiming income tax, and that's wrong. Think about the 500K
    salaraies on wallstreet paying less or the same as someone making 100K.

    I wouldn't imagine his new capital gains plan would affect the "working
    class" because I truely believe he's for you and I and against the two
    americas.
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  • dancameron

    11 months ago

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  • Steve

    11 months ago

    Careful there. Suggesting that the opposing party actually wants a terrorist attack, when it's more likely that they simply have differing views on how to prevent one, detracts from one's credibility and causes people to wonder if your tinfoil hat is on just a bit too tight. ;)

    (Not a Bush defender and not all that excited about McCain, though I do take the terrorist threat seriously)
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  • dancameron

    11 months ago

    Not sure who suggested it here but the McCain campaign has suggested
    themselves that an attack on US soil would help their McCain win the white
    house. I'll find the video.
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  • Dave Z

    11 months ago

    More and more I am starting to accept the idea that the Fed Reserve owners allowed 9 11 and bush is a mere puppet. The Fed wants internal control of the us citizen but they have the constitution to deal with. So, why not have the terror threat to erode our rights. I was in that camp that was thinking this was ok up to a point. Now, not.
    A great way to get control of the us citizen is to create a " need " for some real ID system, like an implantable chip. That need is here with the influx of illegals. Many citizens on one sided don't want illegals to gain access to social security and would allow lists and chips etc. The opposing view of the open borders might want Ids to keep criminals out but let in the whomever wants to come here. Add the colapse of the dollar and ID theft and we are ready for the chip. A RFID was proposed in all new CA licenses starting in spring 2008, but was defeated in sacramento. This could allow for a GPS tracking. There are NOW RFID chips in all new passports issued this year.
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  • dancameron

    12 months ago

    continued flip-flopping:
    Against Bush Tax Cuts - Now for them
    Worried about Global Warming - Gas Tax pandering, drilling off shore
    Disowns Phil Graham
    Recently wasn't sure if insurance companies should cover birth control, but voted against it years ago
    -cite Meet the Press
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  • Nate

    12 months ago

    I think the flip-flop accusation gets thrown around a lot too much. Changing your mind isn't a flip-flop. For instance, if you consider McCain's position on the Bush tax cuts you will find that he never had a philosophical objection to cutting taxes, and now that he has seen the positive effect that they had it is natural for him to modify his position.

    Flip-flopping should be reserved for a special kind of verbal gymnastics. Unwilling to commit to a side through vagaries or what not. Significantly changing presentation depending on the audience. Unwillingness to make a strong defence of a serious policy. These are things that show character flaws or sloppy thinking that should lower confidence in a candidate.
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  • dancameron

    12 months ago

    There's been a positive effect on the tax cuts? I haven't seen anything that supports the huge tax cuts for the top 2% have been good for our economy. I've only seen our deficit increase dramatically.
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  • Nate

    12 months ago

    It's not really fair to think only of the deficit when discussing tax cuts since the federal deficit is not only a function of income but also of spending. While it is point of debate in this particular instance whether the lower taxes actually increased federal revenue (check out the corporate tax revenue after 2003 though), it most certainly does happen when the tax rates are much too high. Also, it is pretty clear I think that the economy was strengthened in many ways from those tax cuts. Increasing employment levels at the end of 2003 up until just recently are often cited in support of this.

    My point though was that McCain believes that thy have been positive, which would naturally cause him to reassess his position making the charge of flip-flop unfair.
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  • JaredB

    1 year ago

    Was that test comment to see if they come through on RSS? If so, that one did.

    I don't like how Disqus requires Javascript to be enabled in order to comment, though.
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  • dancameron

    1 year ago

    I'm going to have to post about Disqus so we don't have a conversation here
    but there are some really cool features. Like this one, replying to a
    comment straight from an email.
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  • dancameron

    1 year ago

    There's also threading which is cool.
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