Dan Cameron - Latest Comments in Blogging etiquette

Re: Blogging etiquette

Dave Z — Thu, 04 May 2006 12:49:26 -0000

I seriously have zero opinion on this subject and think it's funny that I would be mentioned at all.

Re: Blogging etiquette

JaredB — Wed, 03 May 2006 17:45:57 -0000

Great, now Nathan (and Dave, kind of) is in on the conversation as well... but I feel as though I've already said everything I need to say on this particular subject. My opinion remains the same, but I am fine if you guys want to continue to debate the proper manner of linking between sites, who can post what, etc. amongst yourselves. Have fun :)

Re: Blogging etiquette

Dave Z — Wed, 03 May 2006 13:35:07 -0000

ha ha, that is funny Danny boi!

"Dan May 2nd, 2006 at 9:00 pm

Oh yeah, this far without DaveZ is a record."

Re: Blogging etiquette

dancameron — Wed, 03 May 2006 12:01:50 -0000

More importantly it's good to hear that I'm somewhere at the top of Nathan's list (by default or not).

Re: Blogging etiquette

dancameron — Wed, 03 May 2006 11:59:24 -0000

[insert a rub-it-in comment here]

Re: Blogging etiquette

nstryker — Wed, 03 May 2006 11:49:01 -0000

i have an idea for a possible solution. jared, instead of posting "check this out, thanks jason." how about posting, "everyone, don't miss this cool post on jason's blog." and don't include a link to the video. i must admit i'm with dan on this. i saw jared's post first (because freepress comes before idealist) and commented there assuming he got the link from jason via email. when i got to jason's blog, i felt bad that i had expressed myself on jared's blog, not the originator's.

Re: Blogging etiquette

JasonB — Wed, 03 May 2006 09:41:30 -0000

Glad that's over. Martha, no offense taken. I was interested in your comments on the open school story since you are a teacher and you and Jared have such smart kids. I'm glad that Jared started the post on his blog so I could read the conversation that took place there amongst his regular commenters. I don't know how you guys find the time for all this commenting, man I'm lucky to make 2-3 comments a day total. This post along is a short novel. Dan your thumb hasn't slowed you down at all.

Re: Blogging etiquette

dancameron — Wed, 03 May 2006 01:05:49 -0000

That's fine with me we start it 15 minutes past to skip the commercials. Come as early as you can but you can only come if you give your wife a hug from me, make it a quick one with a pat on the back. :)

Re: Blogging etiquette

JaredB — Wed, 03 May 2006 01:01:41 -0000

I don't think there's anything to talk about. Like you said, it's no big deal. If anyone else is disturbed by our arguing, I apologize; it's all in good fun.

I am planning on coming over still; I just won't be there very early - probably right before the show, if that's OK.

Re: Blogging etiquette

dancameron — Wed, 03 May 2006 01:00:15 -0000

Oh yeah, this far without DaveZ is a record.

Re: Blogging etiquette

dancameron — Wed, 03 May 2006 00:53:10 -0000

Jared: Maybe we should talk this over tomorrow before Lost, if there's anything to talk about. I think we've been very clear with each other so I totally understand your points and I hope you feel the same about mine, no matter if either of us agree with each other. The point of my post is to voice my opinion not to cause an uproar, make nothing into something "controversial" or stamp a new web/blogging rule; like you said the web is free and anyone could do whatever they want, including rants, posting or commenting and I've believed that from the beginning.

And in the end "I know that you weren't upset, and neither was I - just our regular blog discussions / arguments about stuff that neither of us really cares much about either way."

Martha: It's so hard for me to respond back to you without fueling the flame, Hmmm, I like you.

Re: Blogging etiquette

JaredB — Wed, 03 May 2006 00:46:34 -0000

OK, Nate, you asked for it.

Re: Blogging etiquette

Nate — Wed, 03 May 2006 00:34:40 -0000

I want politics. Illegals go home! The freeway was way nicer without you.

Re: Blogging etiquette

Martha — Wed, 03 May 2006 00:19:35 -0000

You have a strange idea of freaking out and if you don't want comments don't post something controversial. When I freak out, you'll know it.

Re: Blogging etiquette

JaredB — Wed, 03 May 2006 00:15:43 -0000

Who's freaking out?

Re: Blogging etiquette

JaredB — Wed, 03 May 2006 00:15:05 -0000

Yes, the tech content scares Martha away from Jason's blog sometimes, so I have to let her know when she needs to look at it when there's cool non-tech posts. :)

I don't know how many times I've gone through great effort to explain that everything I say / write online comes with the implied understanding that I don't think of my opinions as above anyone else's. Just because I try to write in a way that attempts to convey my point effectively doesn't mean I have any disrespect for anyone else's point of view. (I know you already know this, Dan, just clarifying for everyone).

But there's only so much "this is only my opinion, but..." that you can insert into everything you write before it distracts from the point you're making. Just because I don't apologize for every point I make doesn't mean that I am not doing it with humility. I decided a long time ago just to say what I want to say, and if people disagree, that's totally fine with me; that's the way it should be.

Trying to go overboard in making it clear that I mean everything I say in a respectful way would only serve to make my writings longer, which is probably the other top complaint about my posts/comments, so it's kind of a catch 22.

Oh, yeah, and I'll be sure to check with you next time before I trackback something, to make sure you approve. Not.

This whole discussion reminds me of the stories of people/companies who try to sue other people/companies for linking to parts of their site that they don't want them to. The web doesn't have those kind of "rules", nor should it, and I stand by my position / humble opinion that anyone attempting to insist that it does or should is being silly.

Re: Blogging etiquette

dancameron — Wed, 03 May 2006 00:11:13 -0000

I guess ~~people~~ somone ~~are~~ is already freaking out.

Re: Blogging etiquette

Crazysox — Wed, 03 May 2006 00:10:24 -0000

I agree with Nate- move on!

Re: Blogging etiquette

Martha — Tue, 02 May 2006 22:22:07 -0000

I knew about Jason's just for the record, but I post on Jared's. I probably wouldn't have commented on Jason's no matter what. No offense, Jason. That's just the way I am. Not that this matters, but as I said already...oh wait...I'll just let you read it on Jared's blog.

Re: Blogging etiquette

Nate — Tue, 02 May 2006 20:56:17 -0000

Let's quit this and argue about politics. Way more fun.

Re: Blogging etiquette

dancameron — Tue, 02 May 2006 20:06:01 -0000

I too think my opinion is, "I am right and you were wrong" but I make conscious effort to sure to say it's only my opinion and not make it seem like fact.

I'm not educating anyone about trackbacks, it just turns out you don't know how to use them. :P

I just wasn't figuring anyone would notice or care.

Thanks for explaining my point without me having to read your mind for it because that pretty much sums it up.

I know that you weren't upset, and neither was I.

I only say that so others won't freak out.

Re: Blogging etiquette

JaredB — Tue, 02 May 2006 19:47:05 -0000

Sorry about the tone, sometimes conversations don't start out the right way when someone accuses me of "stealing" a post from someone else (whatever that might mean, it certainly has a negative connotation).

I'm not saying "I'm right; you're wrong". Of course I think I'm "right" in every opinion that I hold, otherwise I wouldn't hold them as my opinions, but that doesn't mean that I'm not open-minded about *changing* them at any time. Rereading the post here, I think that you are the one telling me that you are right and I am wrong, unless I'm missing something.

I realize you're just expressing your opinion, but you also must realize that your opinion is just an opinion as well. You're trying to "educate" everyone about what trackbacks are or aren't, but I already know what a trackback is, regardless of whether you agree with my use of it.

To say that trackbacks should only be used for major/popular sites OR when you are adding commentary about the original post is simply you own personal opinion, and lots of people would disagree with you. Trackbacks are a tool to let other bloggers (and readers) know when you have made a post in reference to theirs, which is exactly what I did.

I wasn't discrediting your idea, just saying that it's basically exactly what I did. Granted, I just linked to his main page rather than the specific post, but since that post was at the top of his page at the time, I don't feel too bad about it. Maybe I'll go back and change that since it does make more sense to link directly to his post, I just wasn't figuring anyone would notice or care.

So, in the end, it sounds like your only complaint is that my link to Jason went to his general blog as opposed to his specific post, which I do think is a bit silly.

I know that you weren't upset, and neither was I - just our regular blog discussions / arguments about stuff that neither of us really cares much about either way.

Re: Blogging etiquette

dancameron — Tue, 02 May 2006 18:52:09 -0000

Can I reemphasize that this isn't that big of a deal and no one should get "bent out of shape" or "pissed". We're just talking opinion.

Re: Blogging etiquette

dancameron — Tue, 02 May 2006 18:47:37 -0000

Jared: You're comment attitude is so "I'm right and you're wrong".

I didn't Ã¢â‚¬Å“reposition a postÃ¢â‚¬?

In my opinion you did.

I'd like to hear how you would address that without just doing a link, like I did, other than disabling comments on that post, which would be silly.

Did you just take my previous solution and discredit it with it's post-question? Anyways, you could read this again:

why not just say check this outÃ¢â‚¬Â¦ and then actually comment on his post

If you can't understand that I'll just rewrite your post.
"Check this out. It's probably the coolest thing I've seen in a while."

I don't get why that is so far fetched because you never even linked to his post. Nate, Martha and Kristen probably never knew Jason had an original post. Yes, you trackbacked but that is only one sided. Are you saying that your trackback in essence is telling all of Jason's viewers to go to your blog to continue the conversation? FYI. That's a rhetorical question.

I'd also like to encourage you to not describe my attitude more then what I've already said even in your examples because you might be wrong which you have been twice, ie "pissed". I'm not pissed or bent out of shape, I'm just pointing out something that irritates me like rants about drivers. And your example sucks.

Your comment plugin/thing doesn't make any sense to me, not saying I wouldn't use it, I just don't get it but that's another post of yours which you can use this post to trackback to (FYI that's a trackback).

Re: Blogging etiquette

JaredB — Tue, 02 May 2006 18:00:00 -0000

No, that's the whole point of trackbacks: the discussions are linked together.

I didn't "reposition a post", I DID just say check this out, so I'm not sure what you're talking about there.

I realize what you're saying regarding having two comment streams going, but until I build what I described above (or find one that is good enough for me not to build it), I don't see any better solution.

Do you get pissed at Sara if she talks about something with someone else (when you're not there) that the two of you were talking about before, because now there's two different "streams" of discussion going? No, that's just life.

If I had restricted myself to only commenting on Jason's site, then how would those other people have seen it unless they also read his (which I know some of them don't - their loss). I'd like to hear how you would address that without just doing a link, like I did, other than disabling comments on that post, which would be silly.

In summary, yes, you are being ridiculous.